The Michigan African American Leadership Summit (MAALS) developed out of the Pontiac Black Activists League (PBAL) and the National African American Leadership Summit (NAALS). Some of us as MAALS leaders like myself and Quincy Stewart are from Pontiac, MI and We are mindful of our progressive Malcolm X influenced heritage through Milton Henry from Pontiac, Michigan.
Henry was an attorney and former Pontiac City Councilman and was a close associate of Malcolm X. Henry was a proponent of Malcolm’s philosophy - he was a member of the Malcolm X Society and GOAL (Group on Advanced Leadership).
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Milton
Henry: Once again the GOAL Show microphones have with us our
brother, Malcolm X. This time we are on the other side of the world. We're at
Cairo, Egypt, where the independent African states have met in serious
confrontation for the last week. One of the significant additions to the
confrontation here was the presence of Malcolm X as a black American delegate
to the conference of black peoples here in Africa. Malcolm, would you tell us
something about the conference? First of all, we'd like to know about your
appearance how did it happen that you as an American were permitted to appear
at this conference of African people?
Malcolm
X:
First, I want to point out that we are sitting here along the banks of the
Nile, and the last time I spoke to you we were in Harlem. Here along the banks
of the Nile it's not much different from Harlem same people, same feeling, same
pulse. About my appearing here at the conference: At first it did create a great deal of controversy, and, as you probably know, apprehension on the part of the powers that be in America, because they realize that if any direct contact, communication and understanding and working agreement are ever developed between the 22 million or 30 million Afro-Americans and the Africans here on the continent, there's nothing we couldn't accomplish. When I arrived here, there was a great deal of publicity in all of the press over here concerning my coming. It was historic in a sense because no American Negroes had ever made any effort in the past to try and get their problems placed in the same category as the African problems, nor had they tried to internationalize it. So this was something new, it was unique, and everyone wondered what the reaction of the Africans would be.
It is true that at first there were stumbling blocks
placed in my path in regards to being accepted into the conference, or into the
meetings. But I'd rather not say what happened in specific details. Thanks to
Allah, I was admitted as an observer and I was able to submit a memorandum to
each one of the heads of state, which was read and thoroughly analyzed by them.
It pointed out the conditions of our people in America and the necessity of something
being done and said at this conference toward letting the world know, at least
letting the United States know, that our African brothers over here identified
themselves with our problems in the States.
Milton
Henry: Now, Malcolm, I have read the speech [memorandum]
which was presented. Basically, as you say, it did deal with the abuses that
the American Negroes have suffered in America and it asked the consideration of
the African states of this problem. Now, will you tell us, was this actually
passed upon, and did any action come out of the Cairo conference with reference
to the American Negro? Malcolm X: Yes, a resolution came out, acknowledging the fact that America has passed a civil-rights bill, but at the same time pointing out that, despite the passage of the civil-rights bill, continued abuses of the human rights of the black people in America still existed. And it called upon I forget the wording; when I read the resolution it was 2:30 in the morning, under very adverse conditions; but I was so happy to read it. In essence, I remember that it outright condemned the racism that existed in America and the continued abuses that our people suffered despite the passage of the civil-rights bill. It was a very good resolution.
Milton
Henry: In other words, this type of resolution coming out of
a conference of thirty-four African states should certainly make the United
States take a new look at the American Negro?
Malcolm
X:
Well, I have to say this that the United States has been looking at the
American Negro. When I arrived here I did a great deal of lobbying. I had to do
a great deal of lobbying between the lobby of the Hotel Hilton, the lobby of
the Shepherd and even the lobby of the " Isis," the ship where the
African liberation movement was housed. Lobbying was necessary because the
various agencies that the United States has abroad had success fully convinced
most Africans that the American Negro in no way identified with Africa, and
that the African would be foolish to involve himself in the problems of the
American Negroes. And some African leaders were saying this.
So in the memorandum I submitted to them at the
conference I pointed out to them that as independent heads of states we looked
upon them as the shepherds not only of the African people on the continent, but
all people of African descent abroad; and that a good shepherd is more
concerned with the sheep that have gone astray and fallen into the hands of the
imperialist wolf than the sheep that are still at home. That the 22 million or
30 million, whatever the case may be, Afro-Americans in the United States were
still Africans, and that we felt that the African heads of state were as much
responsible for us as they were responsible for the people right here on the
continent. This was a sort of a challenge to them and I think that most of them
realize it today, more so than they did prior to the conference.
Milton
Henry: Malcolm, I think you are to be greatly applauded
because actually you were the only American recognized as a participant of the
conference, and of course you had the badge which permitted you access to all
of the rooms and so forth. The Americans here, including myself, did not have
that privilege, but you had the privilege of actually being with the other
black brothers. I had the feeling that there will be a great change in emphasis
because you have been here, and because you presented our position the position
of the black man in America so well, in a way that no one but an American
could.
Malcolm
X:
One thing that made most Africans see the necessity of their intervening on our
behalf was [their learning a bit of] the historic steps since 1939 in the
so-called rise of the black American. It was the world pressure, brought about
by Hitler, that enabled the Negro to rise above where he was [in 1939]. After
Hitler was destroyed, there was the threat of Stalin, but it was always the
world pressure that was upon America that enabled black people to go forward.
It was not the initiative internally that the Negro put forth in America, nor
was it a change of moral heart on the part of Uncle Sam it was world pressure.
Once this is realized as a basic fact, then the present
American Negro leaders will be more aware that any gain, even in token form,
that they get, isn't coming from any goodness out of Washington, D.C., or from
their own initiative it is coming because of the international situation. And
when they see it like this, in cold facts, then they will see the necessity of
placing their problem at the world level, internationalizing the Negro struggle
and calling upon our brothers and sisters in Africa and Asia and Latin America,
and even in some of the European countries, to bring pressure upon the United
States government in order to get our problems solved. And this was only the
first of a series of steps that the OAAU has in mind to internationalize the
black man's problem, and make it not a Negro problem or an American problem,
but a world problem, a problem for humanity.
Milton
Henry: I think of another real benefit from this conference,
Malcolm. You are living in a very advantageous spot, because it so happens, as
you intimated just a minute ago, that you are living with all of the freedom
fighters from all of the liberated and un-liberated parts of the world down
there on the " Isis" is that the name of the boat?
Malcolm
X:
Well, I don't know if I should say this, but it is true. The "Isis" a
beautiful yacht that floats on the Nile River, was set aside for all the
liberation movements that exist on the African continent. The leaders of these
movements from places like Angola, the Angola freedom fighters; freedom
fighters from Mozambique; freedom fighters from Zambia, known as Northern
Rhodesia, which is just on its way toward independence; freedom fighters from
Zimbabwe, known in America as Southern Rhodesia; freedom fighters from
Southwest Africa; from Swaziland; Basutoland; and South Africa itself all of
the representatives of these different groups of freedom fighters were housed
on this yacht called the "Isis."
I was very honored to be permitted to be housed right
along with them. Spending so much time with them gave me a real feeling of the
pulse of a true revolutionary, and it gave me an opportunity also to listen to
them tell of the real brutal atmosphere in which they live in these colonized
areas. It also gave me somewhat of a better idea of our problem in America, and
what is going to be necessary to bring an end to the brutality and the
suffering that we undergo every day.
Milton
Henry: I think that this is one of the advantages of a
conference like the one we have just experienced. The fact is that it is
important for people to get together to exchange ideas. Even apart from the
speeches and the organizational activities which go on with the formal
organization, it would seem that, as you indicated, the opportunity for the
leaders of each of these parts of the world to get together becomes an
invaluable asset to the total freedom struggle. Because without this, leaders
very often feel they work by themselves; and with it, they can see the whole
picture.
Malcolm
X:
Yes, this is one thing that I have learned since being out of the Black Muslim
movement. It's difficult to look at a thing through the narrow scope of an
organizational eye often times and see it in its proper perspective. If the
various groups in America had been less selfish and had permitted different
representatives from the groups to travel into foreign countries, and broaden
their own scope, and come back and educate the movements they represented, not
only would this have made the groups to which they belonged more enlightened
and more worldly in the international sense, but it also would have given the
independent African states abroad a better understanding of the groups in the
United States, and what they stand for, what they represent.
In my opinion, a very narrow, backward, almost childish
approach has been made by the groups in the United States, and especially the
religious groups; very narrow minded. Whenever you belong to a group that just
can't work with another group, then that group itself is selfish. Any group,
any group that can't work with all other groups, if they are genuinely
interested in solving the problems of the Negro collectively why, I don't think
that that group is really sincerely motivated toward reaching a solution. This
Organization of African Unity, this summit conference, is the best example of
what can be accomplished when people come together and their motives aren't
selfish.
Milton
Henry: Yes, it doesn't seem that it should be so difficult
for Negroes, if they are sincere, to get together.
Malcolm
X:
If they are sincere, it is easy for them to get together.
Milton
Henry: Perhaps those leaders will be passed by now, in the
events as they move forward. I am enthused about the OAAU, and I expect that
there will be some very concrete things happening with respect to that
organization that will make the so-called civil-rights movement just a thing of
the past almost.
Malcolm
X:
Well, one of the main objectives of the OAAU is to join the civil-rights
struggle and lift it above civil rights to the level of human rights. As long
as our people wage a struggle for freedom and label it civil rights, it means
that we are under the domestic jurisdiction of Uncle Sam continually, and no
outside nation can make any effort whatsoever to help us. As soon as we lift it
above civil rights to the level of human rights, the problem becomes
internationalized; all of those who belong to the United Nations automatically
can take sides with us and help us in condemning, at least charging, Uncle Sam
with violation of our human rights.
Milton
Henry: Yes, Malcolm, there is one other thing before we
leave. What do you think of this city of Cairo?
Malcolm
X:
Cairo is probably one of the best examples for the American Negro. More so than
any other city on the African continent, the people of Cairo look like the
American Negroes in the sense that we have all complexions, we range in America
from the darkest black to the lightest light, and here in Cairo it is the same
thing; throughout Egypt, it is the same thing. All of the complexions are
blended together here in a truly harmonious society. You know, if ever there
was a people who should know how to practice brotherhood, it is the American
Negro and it is the people of Egypt. Negroes just can't judge each other
according to color, because we are all colors, all complexions. And as Mrs. W.
E. B. DuBois pointed out, the problems today are too vast. Just as on the
African continent, you have this wide range of complexions so much so that you
can't call it a brown struggle, a red struggle, or a black struggle.
Milton
Henry: By the way, Brother Malcolm, before we close, did you
receive any promises of assistance or help from any of the African nations?
Malcolm
X:
Oh, yes, several of them promised officially that, come the next session of the
UN, any effort on our part to bring our problem before the UN. I think it is the
Commission on Human Rights will get support and help from them. They will
assist us in showing us how to bring it up legally. So I am very, very happy
over the whole result of my trip here.
Milton
Henry: So this conference has been an unqualified success
from all standpoints?
Malcolm
X:
From all standpoints it has been an unqualified success, and one which should
change the whole direction of our struggle in America for human dignity as well
as human rights.
Milton
Henry: Thank you very much, Brother Malcolm.